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Post by comrade powell on Fri May 22, 2020 3:30 pm

What I fail to understand is why the North and South clubs, plus those near the foot of the NL, are being kept in the dark regarding movement between these two levels. Whatever the EFL finally decide will have no bearing on how our season is resolved. I keep hearing this word credibility from those with the most vested of interests but there seems very little which is credible in the present impasse.
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Post by tovid on Sat May 23, 2020 8:46 am

For credibilty substitute 'vested interests' and you will sum up the administration.
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Post by comrade powell on Sat May 23, 2020 9:31 am

Actually the word I was looking for yesterday was integrity, not credibility. Too much sunshine and wine! But you’re right. If the clubs have to be involved in the decision making it should be limited to those without vested interests although in the PL and Championship tv land that would be difficult.
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Post by stillmanjunior on Sun May 24, 2020 9:14 pm

I might be writing an article about this so did another table which takes into account recent(ish) form.

For example, Wealdstone have nine matches remaining. In their previous nine matches they've collected 20 points. If they had repeated that performance they'd be on 90 points.

Havant have eight remaining. In their last eight they've collected 17 points so would finish on 84, and so on.

You end up with this:
(Matches remaining/pts by form/overall points)
Wealdstone 9 20 90
Havant & Waterlooville 8 17 84
Bath City 7 13 76
Weymouth 7 12 75
Dartford 8 16 72
Slough Town 7 8 68
Hampton & Richmond Borough 9 14 61
Chippenham Town 7 16 58
Welling United 8 15 57
Dorking Wanderers 7 6 56
Maidstone United 9 9 54
Chelmsford City 8 8 52
Hemel Hempstead Town 8 8 52
Oxford City 8 9 51
Tonbridge Angels 11 15 51
Eastbourne Borough 9 10 48
St Albans City 7 10 47
Billericay Town 10 9 46
Concord Rangers 10 7 44
Dulwich Hamlet 7 7 44
Braintree Town 7 5 40
Hungerford Town 9 11 39

I couldn't be bothered to work out GD over those games. That's just sad, the rest of this is perfectly normal behaviour. Stand-out thing is Dorking comfortably missing out on the play-offs as they've gone well off the boil in 2020.

The PPG home and away thing is an interesting one. We average more PPG than Weymouth away currently, but they have played one fewer away game than us. If the remaining games went ahead, we'd be expect to collect another 4.67 points on average away from three matches, Weymouth 6.12 from four. Unless I'm just being daft, which is possible. I've multiplied our current away PPG by three and Weymouth's by four. It's the sort of thing we could have argued about when Weymouth come to TP for that play-off semi-final...

That's another two hours gone, anyway.
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Post by comrade powell on Mon May 25, 2020 9:22 am

If you’re really bored I recommend the thread on the Dartford forum where someone played out the remainder of the season’s matches plus play offs by rolling dice....

https://www.puredfc.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=538

If you don’t want to plough through the eleven pages here’s a spoiler - we finished 4th and lost 5-0 at home to Maidstone in the first play off. The Stones went on to win the final at Dartford in a pulsating penalty shootout. Oh and Wealdstone also went up as champions which must have delighted their two fans who have clogged up the NLS forum since March. The recent altercation with Yuffie is very entertaining.
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Post by Peter Newman on Mon May 25, 2020 12:00 pm

Interesting table based on recent form but for that system to be realistic it would have to be based on home and away form applied to the remaining number of home and away games. The Weymouth away PPG assessment seems fine but not sure of its comparison  relevance unless  the  fact we have 4 home games compared to their 3  is also brought into the assessment.

Now Mark  if you are really bored you could always  try producing a table using my Duckworth/Lewis type method that I posted earlier on this thread. (Not a serious suggestion). - Even being isolated at home for the last few months I have not reached that level of boredom!

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Post by Luton Roman on Tue May 26, 2020 12:48 pm

Interesting carrot from Stevenage, no relegation this season but 3 up, 3 down with National League from next. Self interest of course and horror from rest of L2 at 3 down...but 3 up has been long hoped for.

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Post by LB on Tue May 26, 2020 1:58 pm

Luton Roman wrote:Interesting carrot from Stevenage, no relegation this season but 3 up, 3 down with National League from next. Self interest of course and horror from rest of L2 at 3 down...but 3 up has been long hoped for.

League 2 clubs voting for that really would be classic example of 'turkeys voting for Christmas'! Although pigs flying might be a better analogy!

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Post by LB on Thu May 28, 2020 7:57 pm

So it has been confirmed that the season can be extended beyond the end of this month so that the play-offs can take place. All they have to do now is come to a decision as to how the placings are sorted out.

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Post by comrade powell on Thu May 28, 2020 10:03 pm

Let the fun begin!
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Post by kermit on Fri May 29, 2020 10:36 am

LB wrote:So it has been confirmed that the season can be extended beyond the end of this month so that the play-offs can take place. All they have to do now is come to a decision as to how the placings are sorted out.
I didn't see that anywhere Les. Where was it announced?
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Post by LB on Fri May 29, 2020 8:25 pm

kermit wrote:
LB wrote:So it has been confirmed that the season can be extended beyond the end of this month so that the play-offs can take place. All they have to do now is come to a decision as to how the placings are sorted out.
I didn't see that anywhere Les. Where was it announced?

I saw it on Twitter (from a reliable source!) and it has appeared variously in printed media - Jerry has also commented on Facebook (yes I know!) but you won't be surprised to hear that it hasn't made it to the National League website yet.

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Post by stillmanjunior on Fri May 29, 2020 10:18 pm

The National League still haven’t even listed Tom Smith on the top scorers’ list despite countless hints. Think it’s reached the point where they’re too stubborn to change it.
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Post by Luton Roman on Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:18 pm

So play offs may or may not take place. It's been an ongoing saga no wonder this and other club forums have been quiet. Listening to the Boreham Wood chair it will cost tens of thousands of pounds to compete. He's a millionaire. No reason it would be any less at NLS level. Who's feeling lucky?

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Post by LB on Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:39 pm

It appears that the Government never specifically said that players at NLS and NLN level were not ‘elite’ - seems that this was the league’s interpretation because the definition relates to whether a person earns their living from the activity.

It has now been suggested that the playoffs might take place, and the Havant manager has posted that Dorking, Dartford and Slough have indicated that they want to take part - Havant do obviously. He reckons it would cost around £20000 for a club taking part in all three games. He says this is better than the £60000 being bandied about, but still a lot when set against no income from the games.

Hopefully these latest proposals, which are apparently being put to the clubs tomorrow to be voted on on Monday, will bring this saga to an end once and for all. Don’t hold your breath though!

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Post by pete mac on Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:03 am

Do we know how City will vote?

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Post by LB on Sun Jun 14, 2020 11:29 am

pete mac wrote:Do we know how City will vote?

Can't believe with the comments that Jerry is making that we wouldn't vote for the playoffs to go ahead. I think that as before the NL teams get a vote each but South and North get four votes between them.

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Post by stillmanjunior on Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:33 pm

The National League last posted a story about this whole situation on their website on 22 April. Ditto social media, which they are currently flooding with irrelevant goals from matches last season. These are largely videos taken by volunteers who aren't acknowledged for their effort.

Whatever happens with 2020/21, their communications have got to improve drastically. It is nowhere near good enough. The website looks cheap and is often the last place I'd go to for league news, when it should be the first. We shouldn't have to keep relying on outside sources for updates, the league should be onto it first.
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Post by comrade powell on Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:39 pm

pete mac wrote:Do we know how City will vote?

Following on from Junior’s comments you won’t be surprised to learn that the resolutions for voting on hadn’t been received by the clubs as of this afternoon. Until we see them we cannot make a decision on how the Club will vote. We’ll aim to update supporters asap.
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Post by LB on Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:05 am

comrade powell wrote:
pete mac wrote:Do we know how City will vote?

Following on from Junior’s comments you won’t be surprised to learn that the resolutions for voting on hadn’t been received by the clubs as of this afternoon. Until we see them we cannot make a decision on how the Club will vote. We’ll aim to update supporters asap.

That old saying about p**sups in breweries comes to mind! Seems incredible that it is three months since the game at Hungerford and if the playoffs do now go ahead could potentially be another month before things are resolved.

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Post by Luton Roman on Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:24 pm

Reading JGs article I assume Bob Chester is running around the city whipping up money for testing.

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Post by stillmanjunior on Mon Jun 15, 2020 2:18 pm

The irony in all this is the National League are very quick to get on to clubs that don’t comply with their criteria, that’s some of the pettiest things imaginable. This is without doubt the biggest event they’ve had to deal with in their history and what are they doing? Posting videos of goals or interviews.

Perhaps they fear the abuse they’ll get for posting updates. They are getting more now by keeping quiet. I’m not saying it’s an easy job and whatever decision they make they are going to get criticised, I feel for them in that respect, but they are losing a lot of credibility for the way they have handled this. Pretending nothing is happening is not right. Just the occasional update would be nice, even if it’s to say there has been no progress since the last time they spoke.
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Post by comrade powell on Mon Jun 15, 2020 3:40 pm

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Post by Maurice Ashman on Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:01 pm

Lets hope we get the chance to play-off!

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Post by tovid on Mon Jun 15, 2020 4:17 pm

Personally I would rather not have play offs if it was going to bankrupt the club. My understanding is that the club had already overspent this season before the lockdown.
The whole point of community ownership is that it has to be sustainable.
Could we raise £20K for the play offs?
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