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Post by City 'til we're relegated on Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:09 am

Not wishing to cause division but just a diversion hopefully not too much derision, I have produced what for me would be a dream non-league league for Bath City.

Poole Town
Weymouth
Yeovil Town
Frome Town
Chippenham Town
Bristol Rovers
Cirencester Town
Cheltenham Town
Gloucester City
Worcester City
Eastleigh
Havant & W
Weston-Super-Mare
Gosport Borough
Dorchester Town
Hereford
Basingstoke
Forest Green
Salisbury FC

I think that every game would have added interest compared to Conference South. National Leagues are a bit of a vanity thing, which work fine at the top level, but for lower/non-league seem ridiculous. Travel would be far easier and gates would be far higher.

I have only made a league of 20 clubs. This would leave week night’s free for Cup games – FA Cup, FA Trophy etc. The top few clubs could enter a national knockout competition (a non-league Champions league if you like).

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Post by stillmanjunior on Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:48 am

Is this in terms of travel only or attractive fixtures? I'd happily take in a bit of variety and a trip or two up north to avoid going to places like Eastleigh again, and to a lesser extent Havant.
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Post by 2weirdtown on Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:09 pm

Very nice, though I'd swap Eastleigh and H&W for Newport and Merthyr
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Re: Dream League

Post by comrade powell on Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:13 pm

City 'til we're relegated wrote:
I have only made a league of 20 clubs. This would leave week night’s free for Cup games – FA Cup, FA Trophy etc.

This is an excellent idea and very similar to one I heard at a recent match! Evil or Very Mad

Many of the long journeys made by clubs at our level (and the levels below), often to play in front of ridiculously small crowds suggests there's merit in your proposals. It seems ridiculous to me that we have become regular opponents of the likes of Bishop Stortford and Concord, yet haven't played some traditional, local rivals for many years.
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Post by comrade powell on Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:14 pm

2weirdtown wrote:Very nice, though I'd swap Eastleigh and H&W for Newport and Merthyr

I'd almost swap H + W for Fleetwood! Very Happy
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Post by Luton Roman on Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:22 pm

All very well but some there have aspirations beyond local regional football as we do hopefully. Need some variety in life, and not much there for the Exiles !

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Post by City 'til we're relegated on Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:42 pm

Mr Comrade, I did not wish to add that the midweek cup games were your idea just in case abuse was hurled your way instead of mine.

Of course there could be some tweaking to the list as the fine recommendations mentioned. I would find this a far more entertaining and exciting league than Conference South(I can't believe it's not the Isthmian League).

Playing in a national league seems to be a bit of an ego thing, but playing regionally would have far more interest, especially if the regions top clubs could be pitted against each other.

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Post by City 'til we're relegated on Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:44 pm

stillmanjunior wrote:Is this in terms of travel only or attractive fixtures? I'd happily take in a bit of variety and a trip or two up north to avoid going to places like Eastleigh again, and to a lesser extent Havant.

Travel would be part of the story, I accept your comments regarding Eastleigh and Havant, thank you.

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Post by 2weirdtown on Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:47 pm

Let's face it, the league we're currently in is of no interest to the general public/casual supporter. It's sh*te.
The sooner some meaningful changes are made, the better. Rebranding it 'national' is purile and an insult to anyone's intelligence.
Might be a small improvement if Weymouth scrape in next season via the play offs, to join Poole.
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Post by Luton Roman on Wed Apr 08, 2015 1:55 pm

Yes this division not very attractive, but Rovers, Yeovil and Cheltenham not in our League, literally, and wont be for a while anyway, and as for Chippenham and Cirencester...really? play them regularly?, no thanks.

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Post by Micawber on Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:16 pm

2weirdtown wrote:Let's face it, the league we're currently in is of no interest to the general public/casual supporter.  It's sh*te.
The sooner some meaningful changes are made, the better.  Rebranding it 'national' is purile and an insult to anyone's intelligence.
Might be a small improvement if Weymouth scrape in next season via the play offs, to join Poole.

Unfortunately Poole seem to have lost form ( or nerve) at just the wrong time and Corby could get automatic promotion. That would be another unattractive fixture

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Re: Dream League

Post by BenE on Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:17 pm

The main issue will be clubs that harbour national ambitions.

How about this:

Start season by playing in 3 mini leagues of 6 local clubs home and away. 10 games.

Top two teams go into a top league of 6, mid two enter mid league, bottom two enter bottom league. Play home and away. 10 games.

Top 2 enter wider league of teams from across South of England (from 5 regions) 10 teams. Play home and away. 18 games.
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Post by Jon_BOA on Wed Apr 08, 2015 3:50 pm

Micawber wrote:
2weirdtown wrote:Let's face it, the league we're currently in is of no interest to the general public/casual supporter.  It's sh*te.
The sooner some meaningful changes are made, the better.  Rebranding it 'national' is purile and an insult to anyone's intelligence.
Might be a small improvement if Weymouth scrape in next season via the play offs, to join Poole.

Unfortunately Poole seem to have lost form ( or nerve) at just the wrong time and Corby could get automatic promotion. That would be another unattractive fixture

I've been going on the assumption that Corby would be put in the North, surely they would!? Which could mean Oxford City in the South which I'd take over Corby. Seem to remember if you get moved you have to stay there for two years, otherwise Lowestoft would be biting hands off to get in the South, as I seem to remember them taking none too kindly to being put in the north last summer.

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Re: Dream League

Post by comrade powell on Wed Apr 08, 2015 4:24 pm

Luton Roman wrote: and as for Chippenham and Cirencester...really? play them regularly?, no thanks.

Chippenham provided us with our only proper local derbies since Yeovil disappeared over the horizon. I particularly enjoyed the fixtures there, with a packed ground and some really spicy matches. The banter on here and the Chipp forum before and after was great and I honestly think their rise 10 years back kept us as a club on our toes. Would love to see them join us at this level again one day.
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Post by OliverH on Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:27 pm

I'd add Dulwich Hamlet & FC United of Manchester to provide for two good "city break" away trips at decent grounds. Heard very good things about Wealdstone away day, maybe give them a spot?

But I totally agree with the main thrust of the post - Bath City vs the M25 doesn't really get the blood racing, it's shame we don't have more West Country rivalries.
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Post by Marc Monitor on Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:51 pm

Wealdstone away was great and it is on my "must attend" list. Much more so than anything the other side of London.
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Re: Dream League

Post by stillmanjunior on Wed Apr 08, 2015 8:37 pm

Playing teams like Cirencester or Weston don't provide any enthusiasm to me. We played Ciren enough times in the Southern League, when we played them at home they wouldn't have brought more than about five fans.

The problem at the moment is the total lack of variety with the games. It's basically the same journey all the time. I don't mind if it's somewhere easy like Maidenhead but even the slight change, i.e. Havant, is a pig of a journey. Some places east I don't mind going to, St. Albans for example, but others are becoming more of a drag, to the extent that I opt out of going to a few.

One of two trips up north is fine to me. I actually really enjoyed my two midweek jaunts to Gateshead but I wouldn't like to do it every season.
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Post by Luton Roman on Wed Apr 08, 2015 9:55 pm

Might be a twist to the SL title race yet as Corby's final 3 games are all away to 3rd place Truro, 5th place Weymouth and finally......2nd place Poole.

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Post by Marc Monitor on Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:20 pm

Oh yes, Maidenhead is a must as well as some other ex-Cardiff supporters have adopted them (or been adoptedby them).
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Post by comrade powell on Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:43 pm

I would invite a few guest teams from outside our area into the Dream League. Yes, Wealdstone for the great atmosphere their fans create. St Albans as they are located in one of my favourite towns. Dover, because we seem to get right up their nose and Boston for a guaranteed 6 points. And maybe even East Thurrock...
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Post by stillmanjunior on Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:26 am

I never want to go to Dover again. I like the ground (the big terraces behind each goal are great, the restricted views as you enter are not) but just fed up with some of the fans we encounter, like we did the other week.

As I said at the time, and I still say now - the only positive on losing on penalties in the FA Trophy semi-final was it was to North Ferriby. If it was at Dover it would have been utter hell, pretty sure there would have been some sort of trouble.
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Post by stillmanjunior on Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:29 am

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Re: Dream League

Post by Beau Nash on Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:25 pm

There is a well written comment about Dover on FB by Colin George Appleby:
During 40+ years of spectating, I've watched football everywhere from Weston to Wembley, including three student years of making the most of living within walking distance of Old Trafford. As an ex-soldier, I don't frighten that easily, I can cheerfully take banter on the chin without a problem and I'm hardly a stranger to bad language. But... The game at Dover was the first time I've ever felt at all uneasy at being an away supporter. As I approached the ground on my own, a large chap in a turnstile queue pointed at my 'Romans' T-shirt and yelled - in a non-joking tone - to some mates in the next queue, "Easy target for after the match!" To be fair, the stewards and a copper descended swiftly and led him away, but it wasn't a pleasant experience. As I was talking to another of our supporters at half-time, a passing Dover follower overheard my musing that we might actually win. He paused, gave a look of nothing less than hatred and unleashed a brief torrent of vile personal abuse. I didn't respond, which seemed to disappoint him and he wandered off muttering to himself. As I say, my skin is fairly thick, but I'm in no hurry to return to such an inhospitable place.

The subject of league organisation has been discussed many times and the area covered by the Conference is too large.

I would like to see Division 2 and Conference Premier regionalised to North and South, they are both full time pro divisions so little difference in standard.

The current Conference North and South, part time pro divisions, need to have more local derbies to generate interest;  so some sort of amalgamation into mini leagues. We could play the likes of Gloucester, Worcester, Oxford City and other clubs near Birmingham etc.  After that a joining for us with the London clubs to decide promotions / relegations etc.
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Post by 2weirdtown on Thu Apr 09, 2015 8:55 pm

Covering a wide area does lower league clubs no favours at all.  It does not add to home attendances. In fact it has a negative impact by discouraging away fans to travel.  Added to this is of course the added cost of away travel for the teams and officials.
Regionalise or die!
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Re: Dream League

Post by the demon headmaster on Fri Apr 10, 2015 9:37 am

What is the picture like abroad? Do they even have a 6th tier?
I am broadly in favour of the idea to regionalise. The costs of running football at this level are far too high and we need more local rivalry to excite a growth in attendances. I agree with Comrade that the games v Chipp were the most exciting moments of recent seasons (Newport too of course), so I would gladly have them back, and this comes from a principal beneficiary of the Isthmian phenomenon.

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